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Newcastle UnitedAnother chance to secure back-to-back Premier League wins has gone begging just like every other opportunity that went before it. It’s time to face facts…we are going down; barring a miracle of Carlos Tevez proportions we are heading back to Championship.

The performance against Newcastle United was truly pathetic, yes they’re a better team, with superior players, but in the first half we didn’t compete with them at all, it was like a training session: attack versus a very shaky defence.

All the grit, fight and determination displayed in Cardiff was replaced with the all too familiar lethargic, meek and lazy performances that have become the hallmark of a season which is looking frighteningly similar to Avram Grant’s 2010/11 death march.

I cannot believe with the predicament we find ourselves in our only signing so far has been a League 1 centre back, where are all the signings we were promised? Granted the window is still open but as is becoming increasingly obvious no-one wants to join West Ham. Our increasingly slim survival hopes rest solely on our injured players returning and making the kind of impact collectively that a certain aforementioned Carlos Tevez did back in 2007.

We still, after a season and a half under the 13th highest paid manager in world football, have not achieved back to back Premier League wins; if this statistic doesn’t change we will be relegated. We have 18 points from 22 games and yet to stand any chance of staying up we will need at least 22 from the last 16 games…with our home and away form as poor as each other where are those 22 points going to come from?

The last time we were relegated from the Premier League back in 2011 it wasn’t for one single reason, it was a multitude and it does seem history is indeed repeating itself; there is no solitary reason for where we are; there are so many different factors: injuries, under-performing players, a manager not doing his job properly, failing to secure adequate back-up for Andy Carroll, the signing of Andy Carroll in the first place, failing to deliver on the promise of new signings early in the January window, thinking the squad was stronger than it was; I could go on…

It feels as though we’re in the process of sleep walking off a cliff; I’m not convinced anyone can wake us up from this mission of self-destruction.

The one question I’d love answered is why? Why are West Ham United always in this position? Ever since the club went down in 2003 our recent history has been a succession of relegation fights and promotion battles, why are lessons never learned? Why are warnings never heeded? A London club in the Premier League whose attendances rarely drop below 34K shouldn’t perennially be struggling just to stay afloat.

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  • Dave says:

    I can never ever remember a West Ham team showing any movement off the ball at all. Our players have always passed the ball and remain more-or-less where they were when they passed, they never run into space to either receive the ball back or to create space for their teammates. Even the basic throw ins are pathetic.

    I was hoping that Fat Sammy would teach West Ham to fight for every cause but no, he has adopted the legendary West Ham way of being absolute crap.

    All of this is nothing new. We’ve always been crap but Fat Sammy is the latest one to blame in a very long list.

  • Ryan lee says:

    Lets face it unless we get brought by a rich Arab or Russian or any one with money and the willing to spend it we will always be a yo yo team. For big Sam the good manger he is it just hasn’t happened for him this season and I hate to say it but we look like going down and that is simple. Ok we have had injurys to key players yes and blew our budget on andy corroll but some players who put a good shift in week in week out last season just haven’t got the same attitude this season.maybe it’s time for m.taylor k.nolan j.collison vaz te s.henderson r.morrison g. Mc cartney to find new clubs, on a good day we can get £25m back for those players. And if we do stay up with our £20m budget plus £25m from sales of dead wood.here are some players that could replace them l.remy Ashley cole on a free j.lesscott free m. Essien t.vanmarlen w.zara m.richards j.mata r.lambert. Would be a strong squad going in to the new season.

    • rob says:

      we are odds on certainty for the drop, and i predict that we will finish bottom, we are the worst team in the prem by a country mile, i have supported west ham for 50 yrs, and i cannot remember a bunch of players as bad as this lot. olympic stadium ? , more like hackney marshes..

  • jeff says:

    im afraid the players overrall arent good enough dont work hard enough,dont work hard enough off the ball,not enough movement to recieve the ball which means lack off posesion,and u cant defend for 90 mins without scoring a goal.

  • Ian says:

    Gold and Sullivan have destroyed a club with a fantastic history. No true fan would ever have employed Big Sam and now have to sell tickets for a quid because even kids can’t stand to watch the football we play.

  • teddybard says:

    Is our dead wood worth anything ?

    Maybe the saving grace is that Fat Sam could leave at the end of a Relegation season
    with no compensation payable

  • dave says:

    Absolute disgrace end of story,the owners are shite,big fat sam is a useless shithouse and the players are overpaid shit donkeys.Going down.Wheres the wonderful team gold and Sullivan bragged about for the wonderful stadium?west ham are a laughing stock

  • Ryan lee says:

    If we stay up could Harry redknap n salvan billic as his no2 with a view to take over after Harry work?

  • steviez says:

    Ryan your right about the Arabs or Russians or owners cry about every penny, out of the players we have there’s 3 or 4 that’s good enough for the premiership the rest just don’t cut it. And that Traore fiasco is a typical West Ham transfer, and the worst comment I have seen was Big Sam after Nolan was sent off [ its not my fault ] pass the buck. At the min the players have no passion or pride in the badge .

  • west ham says:

    if big sam stopped playing a 4-5-1 formation and played 2 strikers we might get more goals he moans saying we need more goals but plays 1 striker whats the point. we have players at the club that think they are better than they are and are on to much money a week. are owners are more intrested in a new stadium than they are on spending money on the team, no point having a big stadium and playing football in the championship.

    • peter says:

      I Agree. l said after 4 games we will be relegated. l t seems to be coming true. . have now got Doncaster and Watford pencilled into my diary..
      Am afraid that the dead wood, mentioned by others, wont even pay for a parking ticket.

  • Adam says:

    I find it amazing that we have failed yet again to sign the right people in the transfer window.
    Everyone was fully aware of the situation we were in, the players we needed and how quickly they needed to be in place. Are you telling me Hull has suddenly become a bigger club than West Ham overnight, or Fulham. So why do we have a manager who lacks the ability to attract good players into West Ham. Joe Cole returned because he loves the club, Stewart Downing is simply bankrolling another season of underachievement, and Andy Carroll really only came because his options at the time were few and far between.
    Jarvis bless him tries but isn’t a 10 million player and Maiga at £5 million lets not go there.
    We need to be buying better, we need to also be less unpredictable tactically, I’m afraid under Sam that will never happen, the quality of football we’re playing with the players we do have is poor, and if a Hull can attract to half decent strikers why the hell can’t West Ham. We needed these players in from Jan 1st (and before two very heavy Televised defeats) and not at the end of the month when our position seems to be even less of an attraction to any one in their right mind. We’re going down if this continues.

    • frankie mac says:

      Well said Adam..I went yesterday..honestly they only started playing when AC started to warm up from the bench..it was a complete lack of respect for the punters inside the ground..
      If Carlton had have scored we probably would have got something from the game..But that doesn’t excuse the attitude of the players that started the match.
      Newcastle were good but we are not talking Man City here!..No guts no glory someone said..One result at Cardiff doesn’t make a season..
      Sam Allardyce has been found out…no one wants to play for a one trick pony, and on yesterdays “performance”….Most of the current squad are hoping their agents can get them out of Upton Park asap.

  • Super iron says:

    Is it me or do these so called players we keep going in for know something about the club,management,directors that the average fan does not hear about there is something going on begin the scenes that don’t quite ring true. COYI

    • peter says:

      the forwards wont come because they don’t want to play second fiddle to AC!!! Said the same at the start of the season. CC is the only player that would that and BFS wanted to discard him at the start of the season. Is all BFS is saying other players don’t want to come here, and the injuries. Grow up Fatty, getting sick to death of you winging!!! Get Jordan Rhodes and Lescott and try and get your “so-called” players to “FIGHT” for their playing careers, and start winning games!!!!!

  • jimmy hammer says:

    This season has to be one of the worst in the history of the club there’s no commitment or desire from most of the players it has been utter rubbish and even though avram grant was poor at least we got to 2 semis in the cups talk about how to destroy a club this shows how to do it.Carrol was the biggest mistake the club has made and now it will be our downfall we could have bought 3 players for 5 million each and stayed up instead we will be watching football in the Olympic stadium in the championship.poor management and lack of foresight have seen the club plummet into chaos.

    • notanyoldiron says:

      Trouble is Jimmy, there aren’t 3 £5m players who want to come to Upton Park!!! I doubt there’s 1.

    • chiefironhammer says:

      Spot on Jimmy – my 52 years of supporting whu says you’re right. and a few years of enduring the dildo boys says they are wrong.

  • Andy says:

    Why o why don’t Gold and Sullivan realise we can’t sign new players because nobody wants to come to West Ham because of the manager and the tactics he employs

  • realist says:

    Taylor r back. Relegation Roger. C. Cole loan striker. Jarvis crossing. Downing getting down the wing. Calamity Collins. Useless big fat face Sam chewing in his seat without a clue on tactics and motivation. The poorest millionaires in the world. All us supporters and fans deserve better than the crap served up by this club. WHAT THE FUDGE IS GOING ON! My poor son.

  • Dan says:

    Answer to your question, we always employ poor managers.
    Gold and Sullivan have a record of picking awful managers, Bruce, MacLeish, Grant and Allerdyce. How can such successful business men make the same mistake again and again?
    We are in deep trouble Sam is well out of his depth. Taylor right back? Jarvis and downing on the wrong wings? £10 million for Jarvis? Diarra always overlooked? Signing Carlton Cole? Morrison coming on in a holding midfield role? Going into the season with one capable forward ( injured) 3 centre halves and 10 central midfielders ? I do t care if we don’t bring in anyone else just get rid of Sam the tea lady wouldn’t make such basic mistakes.

    • Tim Hine says:

      I agree with Dan 100%. Allerdyce and his pet boy Nolan must shove off! And the Davids need to catch a rapid wake-up; they seem to be entirely deluded as seen from their decisions and largely embarrasing statements.
      As a Hammers supporter since 1966, I have never seen the club and the first team in such a shambolic poor shape and I have never seen us play such ugly and utterly predictable football as we do under that fat twit Allerdyce.
      He urgently needs to go and play in the traffic! He has to go right now before the new season kicks off – this should have been done months ago. Bloody Davids are retards!

  • Sam says:

    having been all over the world to watch west ham I feel now it is time to surrender it seems that this club have been rich pickings over the years the Cearnes the Prats, the Icelandics robbed it blind and now it is left to the vultures to finish it off so come on and sell the club to some one who knows what the fans want and not to rob us.!!!!!

    • beckton Geoff says:

      It just a business to Gandalf and that f**king little hobbit that they can’t seem to run right, so just for once I’ll say GOLD & SULLIVAN PLEASE!! PLEASE!! PLEASE !! SELL UP , F**K OFF AND LEAVE OUR WEST HAM ALONE AND TAKE THAT FAT OGRE WITH YOU. ( sorry for the swearing people) .

      • Tim Hine says:

        Well said Geoff!!!
        It is so bloody obvious that the Hammers are in a complete mess – and the reason for that is Gold & Sullivan and that fat gum-chewing camel imitation.
        As long as these clods are at West Ham I can onl see misery and stupidity.
        PLEASE PLEASE someone with at least half a brain buy West Ham and save the club from these stuoid morons! I have to agree that the tea lady (or her grandma or her dog) could not help doing a better job than the present monkeys!

    • Raymondo says:

      You forgot that robbing git BROWN,he left the club with 38 mil and then they make him
      Honorable Presedent.

  • Depressed from Manila says:

    It’s a very good question. Part of the problem is that we only seem to seek improvement in a crisis and then, of course, the better players are not interested. We end up signing older players at a huge cost that typically get injured. I find it hard to believe that amongst our younger players there wasn’t one Sam couldn’t consider for RB in front of Taylor on Saturday.
    I don’t know if we are always one of the worst one clubs or it’s just that we pay such close attention to our team it’s just seems that way. Because we are not as in dire straits as Leeds were or as Portsmouth are now.

  • Chris says:

    The irony is that Allardyce seems to not understand why players don’t want to come so lets look at the possibilities and hope the fat man reads it!!

    A) No-one wants to be part of a boring negative team where the biggest ambition is not to lose.
    B) There is no plan B, so pretty much the midfield is bypassed, we have good midfielders when they are allowed to play in the correct position, basically if you are a good player that wants to look bad play for SA.

    C) You made too much public noise in the summer about AC and no-one is going to join to sit on the bench, shut your collective mouths and do your business privately, you are cheapening the club more than you already are with this so-called twitter method.

    D) Too many empty promises have been made, the ambition of the board is to recruit a less than mediocre player who has been consistently relegated and could not even get into the side he is registered with. A lack of ambition is the reason that no-one wants to join.

    E) It don’t matter how good you are playing, as soon as KN is no longer banned the whole side will be made disjointed to accommodate a past it player whose legs have gone.

    This is just 5 reasons and I’m sure there are plenty more, in a horrible kind of way I hope we go down, thats the only way to hit the board where it hurts . Too cheap to spend 4 million to get rid of the utter dross running our club (into the ground), so lets hope that losing 60 million happens for them. TIP FOR THE BOARD!! – SPEND IT TO GET RID OF THE MANAGER, YOU SAID YOU WOULD RATHER SPEND IT ON PLAYERS. NO PLAYERS WANT TO PLAY FOR THE CLUB AND THE CURRENT MANAGER.

    Don’t get me wrong the last thing I want is to see us drop down but it seems the only way to resolve the problems that a 1 dimensional manager and clueless board have created.

  • Chris says:

    Just thought of an F!!!

    F) Trying to do things cheaply in the first place by the board is what put us in this position in the first place. The board and the manager all let us start the season with 1 fit striker, pathetic. I actually feel for Maiga, its no wonder half the time he looks dis-interested. 100% played in an unfamiliar role and when he does have a good game he gets dropped for the next one.

    Rant over – Not even going to bother watching the stream tomorrow, ive got enough stress at the moment without SA adding to it any further.

  • Suffolkhammer says:

    We showed no real ambition in the August window, no real ambition in this one so far and a drubbing at Chelsea awaits next. The manager IS the problem. Act now, axe him and show some forward planning and ambition. Then maybesome players might be interested

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